Went to a conference the other week (Cloud Field Day 20) and heard a term I hadn’t heard before, the Data Wall. I wasn’t sure what this meant but thought it an interesting concept.
Then later that week, I read an article online, Situational Awareness – The Decade Ahead, by Leopold Ashenbrenner, which talked about the path to AGI. He predicts it will happen in 2027, and ASI in 2030. However he also discusses many of the obstacles to reaching AGI and one key roadblock is the Data Wall.
This is a follow on to our long running series on AGI (see AGI part 10 here) and with this we are creating a new series on Artificial Super Intelligence (ASI) and have relabeled an earlier post as ASI part 1.
The Data Wall
LLMs, these days, are being trained on the internet text, images, video and audio. However the vast majority of the internet is spam, junk and trash. And because of this, LLMs are rapidly reaching (bad) data saturation. There’s only so much real intelligence to be gained from scraping the internet. .
The (LLM) AI industry apparently believes that there has to be a better way to obtain clean, good training data for their LLMs and if that can be found, true AGI is just a matter of time (and compute power). And this, current wall of garbage data is prohibiting true progress to AGI and is what is meant by the Data Wall.
Leopold doesn’t go into much detail about solutions to the data wall other than to say that perhaps Deep Reinforcement Learning (see below). Given the importance of this bottleneck, every LLM company is trying to solve it. And as a result, any solutions to the Data Wall will end up being proprietary because this enables AGI.
But the real gist of Leopold’s paper is that AGI and its follow on, Artificial Super Intelligence (ASI) will be the key to enabling or retaining national supremacy in the near (the next decade and beyond) future.
And that any and all efforts to achieve this must be kept as a National Top Secret. I think, he wants to see something similar to the Manhattan Project be created in the USA, only rather than working to create an atom/hydrogen bomb, it should be focused on AGI and ASI.
The problem is that when AGI and it’s follow on ASI, is achieved it will represent an unimaginable advantage to the country/company than owns it. Such technology if applied to arms, weapons, and national defense will be unbeatable in any conflict. And could conceivably be used to defeat any adversary before a single shot was fired.
The AGI safety issue
In the paper Leopold talks about AGI safety and his proposed solution is to have AGI/ASI agents be focused on crafting the technologies to manage/control this. I see the logic in this and welcome it but feel it’s not sufficient.
I believe (seems to be in the minority these days) that rather than having a few nation states or uber corporations own and control AGI, it should be owned by the world, and be available to all nation states/corporations and ultimately every human on the planet.
My view is the only way to safely pass through the next “existential technological civilizational bottleneck” (eg, AGI is akin to atomic weapons, genomics, climate change all of which could potentially end life on earth), is to have many of these that can compete effectively with one another. Hopefully such a competition will keep all of them all in check and in the end have them be focused on the betterment of all of humanity.
Yes there will be many bad actors that will take advantage of AGI and any other technology to spread evil, disinformation and societal destruction. But to defeat this, it needs to become ubiquitous, every where, and in that way these agents can be used to keep the bad actors in check.
And of course keeping the (AGI/ASI) genie in the bottle will be harder and harder as time goes on.
Computational performance is going up 2X every few years, so building a cluster of 10K H200 GPUs, while today is extremely cost prohibitive for any but uber corporations and nation states, in a decade or so, will be something any average sized corporation could put together in their data center (or use in the cloud). And in another decade or so will be able to be built into a your own personal basement data center.
The software skills to train an LLM while today may require a master’s degree or higher will be much easier to understand and implement in a decade or so. So that’s not much of a sustainable advantage either.
This only leaves the other bottlenecks to achieving AGI, a key one of which is the Data Wall.
Solving the Data Wall.
In order to have as many AGI agents as possible, the world must have an open dialogue on research into solving the Data Wall.
So how can the world generate better data to use to train open source AGIs. I offer a few suggestions below but by no means is this an exhaustive list. And I’m a just an interested (and talented) amateur in all this
Deep reinforcement learning (DRL)
Leopold mentioned DRL as one viable solution to the data wall in his paper. DRL is a technique that Deepmind used to create a super intelligent Atari, Chess and Go player. They essentially programed agents to play a game against itself and determine which participant won the game. Once this was ready they set multiple agents loose to play one another.
Each win would be used to reward the better player, each loss to penalize the worse player, after 10K (or ~10M) games they ended up with agents that could beat any human player.
Something similar could be used to attack the Data Wall. Have proto-AGI agents interact (play, talk, work) with one another to generate, let’s say more knowledge, more research, more information. And over time, as the agents get smarter, better at this, AGI will emerge.
However, the advantage of Go, Chess, Atari, Protein Folding, finding optimal datacenter energy usage, sort coding algorithms, etc. is that there’s a somewhat easy way to determine which of a gaggle of agents has won. For research, this is not so simple.
Let’s say we program/prompt an protoAGI agent to generate a research paper on some arbitrary topic (How to Improve Machine Learning, perhaps). So it generates a research paper, how does one effectively and inexpensively judge if this is better, worse or the same as another agent’s paper.
I suppose with enough proto-AGI agents one could automatically use “repeatability” of the research as one gauge for research correctness. Have a gaggle of proto-AGIs be prompted to replicate the research and see if that’s possible.
Alternatively, submit the papers to an “AGI journal” and have real researchers review it (sort of like how Human Reinforcement Learning for LLMs works today). The costs for real researchers reviewing AGI generated papers would be high and of course the amount of research generated would be overwhelming, but perhaps with enough paid and (unpaid) voluntary reviewers, the world could start generating more good (research) data.
Perhaps at one extreme we could create automated labs/manufacturing lines that are under the control of AGI agent(s) and have them create real world products. With some modest funding, perhaps we could place the new products into the marketplace and see if they succeed or not. Market success would be the ultimate decision making authority for such automated product development.
(This later approach seems to be a perennial AGI concern, tell an AGI agent to make better paper clips and it uses all of the earths resources to do so.)
Other potential solutions to the Data Wall
There are no doubt other approaches that could be used to validate proto-AGI agent knowledge generation.
- Human interaction – have an AGI agent be available 7X24 with humans as they interact with the world. Sensors worn by the human would capture all their activities. An AGI agent would periodically ask a human why they did something. Privacy considerations make this a nightmare but perhaps using surveillance videos and an occasional checkin with the human would suffice.
- Art, culture and literature – there is so much information embedded in cultural artifacts generated around the world that I believe this could effectively be mined to capture additional knowledge. Unlike the internet this information has been generated by humans at a real economic cost, and as such represents real vetted knowledge.
- Babies-children– I can’t help but believe that babies and young children can teach us (and proto-AGI agents) an awful lot on how knowledge is generated and validated. Unclear how to obtain this other than to record everything they do. But maybe it’s sufficient to capture such data from daycare and public playgrounds, with appropriate approvals of course.
There are no doubt others. But finding some that are cheap enough that could be used for open source is a serious consideration.
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How we get through the next decade will determine the success or failure of AI and perhaps life on earth. I can’t help but think the more the merrier will help us get there..
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